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title: "#55 - Unpacking System Initiative with Paul Stack"
date: 2023-10-17
episode: 55
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Our dialogue with Paul Stack resumes on DevSecOps Talks, almost two years after our initial podcast about his work on Pulumi (episode 25). As a warm-up, we talk about what prompted his move from Pulumi and his take on Open Terraform drama. The main topic of the episode is Paul's current focus, System Initiative; we probe into its purpose, the progress so far, and the promise it holds for redefining how we think of doing Infrastructure as Code and DevSecOps workflows in general.

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## Notes

- [System Initative](https://www.systeminit.com/)
- [Paul Stack on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/stack72)
- [Paul Stack on Twitter or whatever it is being called now](https://twitter.com/stack72)
- [Our previous discussion with Paul](https://devsecops.fm/episodes/25-all-the-things-you-wanted-to-know-about-pulumi-explained/)